In March I joined philosopher Jason Bahbak Mohaghegh for a conversation on the place of the mystic and the body in our modern surveillance cities for the Incantations podcast series by Theatrum Mundi. We discuss butô and mystical practices as ways of claiming spaces for spirituality that are being effaced from our cities of surveillance. We also talk about identity politics, the meaning of ‘living space’ and the separation of mind and body.

curated and hosted by Andrea Cetrulo
intro music William Messenger and Sophrosyne
illustration Sophie Rogers for Theatrum Mundi 
design Marcos Villalba